Keystone Business Park: CBI Group

Post#314 by Guest May. 18, 2018, 07:27AM

Have you ever met an internet troll? A troll is a special class of sociopath.

These nasty individuals are the sadistic ne'er-do-wells of the digital realm, the misanthropic misfits of information age. Unlike a normal person, when a troll enters an online discussion, he is not seeking truth or clarification. He usually doesn't even know how to debate in an intelligent manner. All he wants to do is inflict pain, ridicule, and humiliation on a targeted person.

Encountering an internet troll can be a disturbing, even frightening, experience for someone who has not had to deal with one. It can be an unexpected event, a strange twist that takes the discussion to a whole other level. You are taken off guard and find yourself struggling to defend yourself, instead of exploring a topic

You're posting comments on a blog, forum, or social media platform like Facebook or Twitter. There are probably other people expressing themselves, some agreeing with you and cheering you on, others disagreeing with you and trying to debunk your assertions. The conversation is heated, or passionate, but civilized. Strong opinions are stated and countered with other strident points of view.

Suddenly, someone, usually anonymous or using a nickname (pseudonym), starts attacking you. They may use filthy language, wild insults, and crazy misinterpretations. Often they will put words in your mouth, along the lines of "So what you're saying is...." or "Nutjobs like you are only interested in ...."

The main tool of the troll is accusation. It's a form of psychological torture, to break you down by turning your words against you, twisting your statements and pounding away at one aspect of your viewpoint. No matter what you declare, the troll will question you as a person. Understand this immediately: it's you as a person that they are attacking.

Personal attacks are often banned in forums, and not tolerated in blogs and social networks. Administrators tend to block and remove anyone who engages in trollish behavior.

The troll doesn't care. Trolls don't follow the rules or terms of service. They jump from one platform and one conversation thread to another, causing as much damage as possible. If they get kicked off a site, they'll try to return, using a different username or a different computer.
Trolls are easy to recognize by their mode of operation. They will never compliment you for a smart statement, or admit that your question is difficult to respond to, or tone down the rhetoric with a smiley emoticon.

Trolls accuse and insult. Trolls needle you relentlessly. They love to flame others. They enjoy causing grief, making another person feel bad. Trolls will quickly move from serious discussion about an issue to a sustained personal assault.

The goal of a troll is to disrupt an online discussion, picking on one person, or on everyone who expresses a particular point of view. Trolls will also invade a presentation on a live videoconferencing channel or an audio podcast where people can phone in and ask the presenter questions.

Recently I encountered my first audio troll on my internet radio broadcast on BlogTalkRadio. My topic just happened to be dealing with trolls. Someone called into my online studio and I connected him to my show. Immediately, instead of thanking me for taking his call, he started accusing me.

"You haven't mentioned the intelligent troll. Why is that?" he asked, all pompous, with a deep professorial voice. I replied, "There is no such thing as an intelligent troll, sir. That's a contradiction, an oxymoron, an impossibility."

I let him pester me for several minutes, mainly to demonstrate to my audience how the guy was a troll, how he behaved, and how to mess with a troll. I kept hammering away at how an intelligent person doesn't pick fights with people just for a sadistic thrill. He kept trying to advance the idea that intelligent trolls exist and should be respected for their high IQ. I set a trap for him. I asked, "Do you consider yourself an intelligent troll?" He replied, "I think there's a little troll in everyone."

I cut the troll off by saying, "Well if you have anything more to say about the alleged intelligent troll, go ahead and say it, otherwise, I'm going to return to the topic of my show." He started to mumble another accusation about how I refuse to acknowledge the "intelligent troll" and I hung up on him in mid-sentence.

This brings me to the issue of how to defeat a troll. Here are a few quick pointers on troll-smashing that you may want to copy and paste into a text editor, print out, and tape to your computer monitor for future reference.

(1) Ignore the troll. Just refuse to interact with him. Respond to others in an online discussion, but shun the troll and give no reply to any of his accusations or remarks.

(2) Post "don't feed the trolls" in the debate thread and leave the conversation. Let others deal with him if they want. Just identify the troublemaker as a troll and move on to other websites or activities. If a person is trolling you via email, just stop opening and reading their messages. If you can blacklist them to prevent them from sending you emails, do that. If it's on Facebook, block -- don't just unfriend, but block – the person and if necessary, report him as abusive.

(3) Keep hammering away at your viewpoint, harden yourself like steel, and never give in. If you want to disturb the troll for a short while, just to give him a taste of his own medicine, you can relentlessly restate your opinion, in complete oblivion to anything the troll says, like you're not even reading his remarks.

(4) Misinterpret his statements. This is a very effective technique for derailing a troll and making them upset. You may even provoke the troll to give up and leave the conversation thread. Twist what they say and make it seem like the troll is agreeing with you. "I agree. Thanks for seeing my viewpoint. We seem to be on the same page now. That's exactly right. Glad I was able to convert you to my opinion."

(5) Praise the troll in a facetious way that translates into not-so-subtle rebuke. "Oh my, you are so incredibly well informed. You are the smartest person in the whole universe and everyone should sit at your feet and soak up your wisdom. Nobody can argue with you, for you have all the answers." Then sign off and leave the discussion with "You sad and silly troll."

Remember that the only purpose of a troll is to antagonize and cause trouble. There is no point in trying to reason with a troll. Generally, they are not educated in debate or rhetorical skills. All they want to do is hurl slurs and incriminations. They want to make you angry, upset, confused, and exasperated. They want to take over the conversation and reframe it as an analysis of how bad or stupid you supposedly are.

Trolls may have been victimized by a mind control cult based on humiliating people to cause them to go into meltdown mode, so they can replace a personality with their cult's indoctrination. Other times you may suspect that a troll has been abused by a rogue psychiatrist who was keen on dismantling a person's inner self and then manipulating the defenseless victim.

No matter what their origin may be, trolls enjoy raining on parades, maliciously pouncing on innocent people, and acting like a verbal predator. Trolling can turn into cyberstalking and cyberbullying (intent to cause serious harm or even suicide).

Learn how to quickly recognize a troll and you've won half the battle.

Mess with them briefly to expose their true nature to others in the audience or the discussion, then kick them to the curb by leaving the conversation. If necessary, report the troll to an administrator.

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Post#243 by Guest Aug. 01, 2017, 08:54PM

Any more information on Arizona Acquisition Fund? Email contacts are now gone.

Post#225 by Guest Feb. 23, 2017, 08:25PM

What happened to your Arizona fund?

One more Cadman racket gone wrong?

Are they still selling this?

Post#217 by Investor Jan. 18, 2017, 03:47PM

Anyone have concerns or comments with CBI and the Arizona Acquisiton Fund? 

Post#159 by Guest Aug. 29, 2016, 07:46PM

Post 156 - You can declare a capital loss - but only IF you have a capital gain to deduct it from.

You can declare an Allowable Business Investment Loss (ABIL) but you need all the necessary documentation if CRA askes for it. This way 50% of your allowable loss is deductible from all income.

KBP, and along with every investment the Cadman Brothers launched have provided no financial statements to investors nor did the regulators demand them to. Why are they not in jail?

Where is the ASC and the courts in all this?

Good luck with CRA

Post#156 by Guest Aug. 10, 2016, 01:03PM

Not only am I paying  fees to Olympia Trust for managing this portfolio, but I am forced to pay DEEMED INCOME on the supposed Interest that was supposedly accruing each year from this investment.  I looks as though it would be advantageous for my husband and I to declare it valueless and declare it as a Capital Loss on my Income Tax statement.  Could someone help me with this procedure?

Post#155 by Guest Jul. 13, 2016, 11:04AM

Did anyone else receive a T5 from KBP Capital Corp? Thx

Post#127 by McGuigan Nelson LLP Nov. 26, 2015, 10:45AM

Attention Investors:

We have recently become aware of this forum thread and understand that a few posters have referenced claims being advanced by our offices and there is some confusion about what is transpiring.  We encourage investors in the CBI projects to visit and you can find your specific project and correct information related to each.  There are 3 claims that have been settled and they are all going to be dealt with differently.

The Keystone Business Park class action suit is ongoing.  The actual investment made by those potential class participants was investment in one corporation and monies were then loaned to another corporation, which held title to the property.  So investors’ interest in the land was registered as a mortgage.  CBI Property Income Corp. also has a mortgage on that property, subordinate to the original investors.  Based on what we lay out below, there is little prospect of the PIC investors realizing anything on the development of the business park.

The investors in KBP Capital Corp. invested up to $19,200,000, as that is the amount of the mortgage on title to that property.  To put that into perspective, it should be noted that the purchase price of the property was $8,680,000.00.  However, this property was sold to investors for an additional $6,150,000.00 over that purchase price.  This was disclosed to investors in your Offering Memorandum.

We are working to remove the CBI Group from the property completely.  This is to give control of the asset to the original investors.  Investors will be the ones who decide how to move forward with the eventual sale or development of the property.

We hope this clarifies matters for investors, and we would refer investors to our Keystone Business Park class action webpage, which explains this matter in further detail:

We look forward to working with you.

McGuigan Nelson LLP

Post#126 by Guest Nov. 25, 2015, 08:58PM

if someone  can tell me is my r investment really gone?I have stopped payimg to olympic  for a long time 

Post#121 by Guest Nov. 03, 2015, 05:19PM

McGuigan Nelson  LLP have made it quite clear that the investors will get nothing and the mortgage holders and law firm will get whatever can be salvaged. Will someone indicate if there is any hope at all to redeem our Principle  from this discusting episode of Alberta crime, theft and abuse?

Post#120 by Guest Nov. 03, 2015, 05:07PM

Has there been a gathering of Investors in order to influence the proceedings against the perpetrators either here or in the USA? Like others this RRSP investment was a key part of our retirement plans and now we have to open a RIF account! This is a tragic commentary on Calgary and Canada.

Post#113 by Guest Sep. 22, 2015, 10:20AM

Wow. A class action lawsuit. This is just another way for the lawyers to make their fees while investors get nothing. Did you read the settlements? Legal fees were returned only to the first people who put money into the legal fund. Dont fall for yet another scam people.

Post#112 by Guest Sep. 21, 2015, 02:50PM

It looks like there is a new class action starting up for Keystone Business Park.

It also looks like they have settled the three other CBI Group lawsuits.

Post#91 by Guest Aug. 01, 2015, 09:41AM

The CBI/Lake House settleement offer is extremely lacking.

Do not accept it! It only allows the Cadmans to walk away with your money with no repercussions whatsoever. What the lawyers are doing is only gouging the investors further.

These two brothers knew what they were doing from the onset, and that was to amass enough money to move to the US and continue their evil lives with your money.

They should be joining Brost and Sorenson behind bars if no money is returned.

Post#62 by Guest May. 16, 2015, 05:55PM

Stop paying the annual scam/ponzi fee and they will make your life hell. They have very deep pockets, no regard for you or your situation. They have been in on almost every scam/ponzi in Alberta for several years.

Post#61 by Guest May. 15, 2015, 02:12PM

What happens if I discontinue paying my annual fees?

Post#60 by Guest May. 15, 2015, 02:08PM

Thanks for this info.

Should I continue paying this self-directed fees charged by Olympia TRust every year? If my investment is gone, I don't want to keep paying.

I phoned their office several times and nobody answers.

Post#29 by Guest Apr. 04, 2015, 06:15PM

Anything done by the Cadman brothers in the past ten years is suspect.

Contact them to try to get any answers!!!

This proposed Keystone business park is still vacant land. Like most their other projects

They have not returned anything to investors for years.... for any of their projects. Investors have lost millions through these guys, Yet they continue on in Arizona and Houston with further duping of investors. Unbelivable!

The ASE allowed these guys to rip off the public without impunity. Even after sanctioning them. What goes?

Post#9 by Guest Mar. 04, 2015, 12:10PM

Cool    CBI investors check out ......

Post#7 by Guest Feb. 27, 2015, 02:36PM

Does anybody have any updates on this investment? I invested part of my RRSP here and Olympia Trust is asking for the self-directed fees once again. I'm not sure if this investment is still good and should I keep on paying my fee to Olympia?

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